Menston – Village Geen Public Enquiry , 13th August 2012, 10am, Kirklands Community Centre

And event of importance to Menston residents, but also to others wishing to register green space as a Town/Village Green.

Advert from local paper:

“City of Bradford Metropolitan District council, Commons Act 2006, Notice of Public Enquiry, Application to Register Land As A Town/Village Green, Land At Derry Hill Menston.

Notice is hereby given that an Inspector instructed by the City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council,  will attend at Kirklands Community Centre, Main Street, Menston on Monday 13th August 2012 at 10am, to hold a local enquiry into the application for registration of land at Derry Hill, Menston, as a Town/Village Green.  The enquiry will commence on 13th August, and continue on 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th August 2012 as necessary.”

No more than 100 people can be admitted to the enquiry room at any one time, for the usual ‘dismal’ reasons.   And you have to sit you cannot stand !!!   No pre-booking allowed, first come first served.

 

5 thoughts on “Menston – Village Geen Public Enquiry , 13th August 2012, 10am, Kirklands Community Centre

  1. The real cost of village green applications is not the loss of green space or over development but the financial cost to the council’s which the taxpayers will have to fund eventually, the majority of residents of our cities and towns are not interested in these false claims of village green applications. It is now common practice for the action groups to apply for village green status to stop developments! Why was Derry hill fields in Menston not registered as a village green years ago?

  2. The costs of Village Green enquiries are carried by the applicants and the responders. Both parties need to gather expert evidence and then have it reviewd by the Inspector. Fraudulent, misleading, or frivolrous applications would be regarded in dim light by the Inspector and would almost certainly result in costs being awarded. None of this is borne by taxpayers. The Derry Hill fields in Menston have been used by the public as an amenity for over 40 years continuously: in order to protect the rights of a community now being faced with potentially harmful development, it has been necessary to take full advantage of the legislation available for just this purpose. The Villagers of Menston have come forwards and raised the funds needed to protect their own community assets. Just as I suspect the inhabitants of cities and towns would also do, if their amenities were similarly affected: and they would get our support.

  3. Yes you are correct in that village green public enquiry costs are met by the applicants and responders, but the costs involved to the applicants are minimal. This is why so many action groups have seized upon this opportunity, but the costs do not end there. I believe the processing of a village green application costs councils large sums of money in legal fees, time and manpower which would eventually be passed on in some form to the taxpayer.
    These annoying claims are not only hitting the taxpayer in the pocket but also preventing new and affordable housing and stopping job creation. The primary aim of the action groups is to stop development using the village green law. I agree that genuine village greens should be preserved. The definition of a village green is a common open area, meeting place maybe benches to enjoy the view, sometimes a maypole? The Derry hill fields in Menston have been used for grazing cattle and haymaking for many years, so how can this be called a common open area? (Moderator – website reference giving the case against village green applications removed, as it has unsafe connections – it is mentiond in this article for those wanting to read alternative views.)

  4. You do not seem to be very up to date on the process for village green applications, if it is of worry to you then you should look into it further. The cost of the application and the legal cost are all borne by the applicant, the cost to the Council is minimal the hire of the hall the advertisements. If you are concerned by cost then I would look at the huge amounts in legal fees that councils have to pay when they turn down planning permission for good reason, but then that is subsequently overturned by developers who can afford to spend a fortune on barristers, that councils cannot match. The developer has a right to appeal as many times as they wish. Communities have no right of appeal. I’d worry far more about my tax in those cases if I were you. I think you will find there are a great deal of other causes of wasted taxpayes money to concern you. But, I don’t think you are really concerned about that.

    Let us look at some other misnomers. Affordable housing – is housing that the market does not meet ie social housing: developers are not keen on affordable housing, they don’t make the same profits. Where houses are of high value they reduce it as much as possible. Housing isn’t very affordable anyway if there are no local jobs, and you cannot afford to travel. Job creation, well there are a number of ways that the economy could create jobs without destroying the countryside, and creating overcrowded areas where there is chronic travel congestion and people cannot get their children into local schools, or go to the Doctors when they are ill. The key word with development is that it must be sustainable, there is nothing sustainable about the development in Menston and many other places- that is why people are up in arms. New housing – why do we need new housing with 14,000 empty house in Leeds, and a similar number in Bradford?

    The primary aim of action groups is to stop the destruction of the well being of local communities so that uncaring people can profit from it !! There are better ways to create jobs, manage the population in a sustainable way, and create houses that people can call home. Homes come about when people have all the other amenities they need, and one of those is green space, and the character of the environment. If you don’t care about green space, then Menston is obviously not the place for you. You would be much happier pushing for those empty city properties to be brought back into use, and create affordable housing where the people that need it can lead affordable lives – you could form an action group to do that, and we’d support you. You do not make people better offer by making other people worse off.

  5. I fear that you may have been misled by your common description of Village Green, or even have inadvertently fallen into the trap of setting up a straw man argument. A Village Green is an open space enjoyed by the general public for certain defined lawful pastimes as of right and without let or hindrance over a period of at least 20 consecutive years. Many of the local green spaces in West Yorkshire meet this legal criteria, and indeed there is one close by in Yeadon. Taxpayers money is a tiny fraction of the costs and time involved in a community planning to maintain it’s community assets: in the case of Menston, it is of clear public record that many thousands have been raised by community donations for this cause.

    The issue of new, affordable and sustainable housing provision in order to meet the community needs is a different case altogether and should be decoupled from this argument. Often the reality is investor desire for return on investment, and developer desire for profit: the higher aims of placemaking, sustainability and affordability provision being very much father down the list of priorities and in many cases limited to lip service and minimum requirements. Communites now have the right to create their own futures. Even a senior governement minister on visit to Menston made clear reference to this. http://www.wharfedaleobserver.co.uk/news/news_local/8224462.print/

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